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Elizabeth Slade's avatar

I’m glad to notice that if this was written by someone I don’t trust and respect as much as I trust and respect you, I would easily get bristly about it, and assume you had some secret ‘anti poor / brown / female / queer people agenda’, even though you express very clearly that’s not where you’re coming from. Which I guess is part of your point 😊

So thank you for voicing this - it helps me to think and be aware of my biases, and see beyond the binaries that it’s so easy to fall into, and to feel some oh-so-helpful discomfort.

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Ioan Mitrea's avatar

I listened to that DO episode when it came out last week and the part of that other podcast at the end where you talk about vibe shift.

A lot of the stuff you say makes sense and I definitely agree with focusing on a local neighborhood and focusing on the real material needs of the real people around me.

At the same time, I have a hard time seeing the integration part of the equation in what you have been writing and saying about "post-woke". Yes, I can see you are trying to have a nuanced take on this and yet I mostly just get a basically emotional charge that feels like resentment and not much else beyond that. Maybe this is mostly because the people you are engaging with in that conversation are mostly still stuck in the venting and resentment phase and not trying very hard to integrate much ?

It's hard for me to get much besides the reactionary anti woke when you talk about post woke basically. Maybe I am not the target audience and I am not supposed to engage with it and that's ok. But I just wanted to let you know how it comes across.

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