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Aug 20, 2023Liked by Richard D. Bartlett

Thanks both - that was brave. I see Nati holding space. I see Rich wanting to lead in whatever space is offered and asking Nati to do the same. But isn't holding space - for diversity and emergence - a different kind of leadership and effectivity? Circles and triangles... love them both, they need each other.

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Aug 20, 2023Liked by Richard D. Bartlett

I really enjoyed this conversation! It sounds like you both have complementary strengths and weaknesses in this subject and it was engaging and valuable to listen to you (maybe a little bit stubbornly ;-) ) learning from and pushing eachother. I'd gladly listen to more conversations like this!

On a technical note, if you do record more audio conversations it would be cool if you enabled the podcast feed feature on substack, idk what's involved on the backend but I know some other substacks I follow have a built in podcast feed for subscribers available, so I imagine there's just like a setting for that.

Anyway, Thanks! This was a fun listen!

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