My wife Nati and I love to get slightly too high on caffeine and have deep & hilarious conversations. Sometimes we wonder if it might be interesting for other people to listen in. The other day we recorded one of these conversations, and today we're sharing it as an experiment.
Thanks both - that was brave. I see Nati holding space. I see Rich wanting to lead in whatever space is offered and asking Nati to do the same. But isn't holding space - for diversity and emergence - a different kind of leadership and effectivity? Circles and triangles... love them both, they need each other.
I really enjoyed this conversation! It sounds like you both have complementary strengths and weaknesses in this subject and it was engaging and valuable to listen to you (maybe a little bit stubbornly ;-) ) learning from and pushing eachother. I'd gladly listen to more conversations like this!
On a technical note, if you do record more audio conversations it would be cool if you enabled the podcast feed feature on substack, idk what's involved on the backend but I know some other substacks I follow have a built in podcast feed for subscribers available, so I imagine there's just like a setting for that.
Anyway, Thanks! This was a fun listen!